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    Default Fabricated census in afghanistan

    http://afghanmirror.tripod.com/id16.html


    Census in Afghanistan



    Afghanistan is one of the most unfortunate places, having faced many hardships since its formation. Even between intervals of wars and battles—the rare “peaceful” times—there were still acts of injustices inflicted upon the people. There doesn’t always have to be war in order to destroy a people and a country. For example, both Turkey and Uzbekistan are peaceful countries but there is much bias involved with their governments, just like in Afghanistan. In Turkey there are Turkish and Kurdish people and the country’s census lies about the total number of each ethnic group. The government does not release the correct information and even the CIA fact book is forced to have estimations on their website, making the Kurdish people 20% when they are probably 2/3rds of the country. Same thing with Uzbekistan; there are many Tajiks who live in Uzbekistan but the government will try to minimize that number so as to not show just how many Tajiks there are. It is the same issue with Afghanistan. In the government, there were bias policies that favored the Pashtuns and swayed towards their interests. There has never been any official scientific census taken of Afghanistan. There have only been estimations done by other outside sources; however, they are not extremely reliable because only a scientific census would be accurate enough to depict Afghanistan. The estimations and “censuses” that have been performed in the past by the leaders and dictators have always been politically motivated in that the Pashtun rulers would try to “pashtunize” the country through any means necessary. This is not, and should not, be a surprise to anyone considering the behavior in the past and the present.

    Various sites and sources have an estimation of the breakdown of Afghanistan’s ethnicities and country stats. These sources include sites from of the BBC, the UN, USA, Britain as well as other countries. Their estimations are always around the same region and off by merely 2-3% but there is never a dramatic difference in these outsides sources. The Pashtuns are always around the 30-40% mark. However, when you go to a Pashtun site, the percentage of the Pashtuns always jumps by 20-25%. These sites show a percentage of Pashtuns jumping from the regular 35% to 70%—obviously doubling the number to satisfy themselves. A list of some of the websites that does this are:
    www.afghanan.com
    www.hewad dot com
    www.dawatnet.com
    www.afghanland.com
    www.sabawoon.com

    Exactly where do they get these numbers? Why is there such a big difference between the Pashtun sites and those of independent sources? The fact that their estimations are so dramatically different—when there is no reason for them to be—attests that the Pashtuns are obsessed with wanting to be the majority of the country. They have already established their claim on the name of country by keeping the word “Afghan” there, they have forced the Constitution to have a “father of the nation” (Zahir Shah), forced Pashto to be a national language, and made the national anthem in Pashto so that it will indisputably belong to them. This is done so that everyone else—all the non-Pashtuns—remains the minority and everything pertaining to them will become irrelevant. The Pashtuns want to have it all—politically, economically, historically, culturally. And at the same time, they want to live with everyone else, most likely so that they can have people to take advantage of. The Pashtuns always talk about equal rights for all the ethnicities but it is always false preaching. They are always looking out for their own interests first.

    Now, at the end of these false statistics in the Pashtuns sites, they attribute the estimations to a nationalist Pashtun named Mohammed Enam Wak. He is a fascist Afghan Mellat who used to live in Peshawar. In the 1990’s he went to a refugee camp called Kacha Garay where he interviewed a thousand people and he asked them about their ethnicity and supposedly recorded all the information. Out of those one thousand refugees, he recorded six hundred of them to be Pashtuns and the rest to be non-Pashtuns: Tajiks, Hazaras, etc. Realistically, all of the refugees in that camp were nomads and therefore they were all Pashtuns. The non-Pashtun refugees like Tajiks and Hazaras had all migrated to the city areas of Pakistan and never settled in any nomad-filled camps, especially Kacha Garay. To use Iran as an example, most of the immigrants/refugees from Afghanistan were Tajik and Hazara and they all lived in their own communities, isolating themselves from the Iranians. If Enam Wak, or anyone else, were to take the census of those communities, probably 95% would show to be Hazaras and Tajiks and this alone would push their percentages higher than the Pashtuns in Afghanistan. For Enam Wak to provide such ridiculous numbers without even stepping foot in Afghanistan—or even consider other countries like Iran—illustrates how preposterous and false his census was. And now, all of these Pashtun sites have based their estimations on his “recordings.” However, aside from this falsification, Enam Wak is even discredited by his own Pashtuns. Because of he was anti-Islam, he was hunted down by the Pashtun Taliban in Pakistan and shot twice. He is just out to spread any kind of propaganda that he can.

    It is no secret that Afghanistan is a country of minorities. There is no ethnic or racial majority, no matter how hard the Pashtuns might try to claim it. The only way to calculate a majority figure in Afghanistan is through the language, Farsi*. Farsi is spoken widely in Afghanistan and it is literally and realistically the national language of Afghanistan. This is because Farsi has no borders and is spoken even outside of Afghanistan but that is an entirely different subject. And of course, the Pashtuns wouldn’t agree, even though most of them speak Farsi instead of Pashto.

    Forging and fabricating documents have become a sort of culture for the Pashtuns. They have been falsifying history and literature for years i.e. the fraudulent Pota Khazana, stealing Farsi poems and translating them into Pashto while stating that they are originally Pashto poems, etc. So fabricating the percentage of their people is nothing new or surprising. In fact, I’d be surprised if they hadn’t fabricated the numbers.

    The latest case bought to my attention is an article on the website www.united-afghanistan.com . Just the name alone suggests hope because “united” is a very powerful word. Anything referring to unity and oneness would fill anyone with optimism and I figured it would be a very resourceful website. However, once I got a chance to explore the site, I saw how wrong I was. There were pictures of sell-out, former Pashtun kings and dictators who have kept the Pashtuns illiterate, tribal, and backwards. There was also a particularly falsified article titled “Debate Over Federalism in Afghanistan” by James Purcell Smith. In that article in the website, it states that the Pashtuns were “between 62.78% of the total population of the country.” This was a surprise because he was the first non-Pashtun to even such an outrageous number. I was suspicious as any logical person would be and decided to do my own research. I found the same article on another website but it had one major difference: the number of Pashtuns. This site was www.cacianalyst.org John Hopkin University’s Central Asia-Caucasus Institute. In this site, it said that the percentage of Pashtuns were “between 38% to half of the total population.” Now that is a big difference. The Pashtuns that changed the article were not smart enough to erase the word “between” before the 62.78% and nor did they think to add another number after 62.78% so that the “between” would make sense. If they wanted to make up a lie, they should have at least done it right. The original article with the correct numbers of “38%” as up in numerous websites and can easily be found through any search engine. I believe that an article posted on a University’s Institute web site would be more reliable than a Pashtunist website because after all, the University has no agenda when it comes to Afghanistan, whereas the Pashtuns know exactly what they can gain by their lies. But, alas, like all their other lies, this one is exposed, too. They are so obsessed with pushing their own agenda that they keep making fools out of themselves. They’ve proven that they will forge anything and everything. They are clearly not to be trusted at all.
    Here are the websites so that anyone can verify the information themselves:

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    And, why exactly would you copy such an article to this forum?

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    i wanted to open discussion about demoghraphic make up of afghanistan society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terminator View Post
    i wanted to open discussion about demoghraphic make up of afghanistan society.
    Not by supporting such a site and spreading their false anti-Pashtun propaganda.

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    Normally this kind of Anti-Pukhtun stuff is not autherized in this forum. So my request is if you have some thing to promote Pukhtun cause, please paste here otherwise anti-Pukhtun article/posts are agains the forum policy.
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    Terminator,

    You are trying to spread hatred of Pakhtuns and lies against Pakhtuns.

    You and others can try to do this, and if it wasn't for my respect for Khan Baba and other Pakhtun wruna here I would be attacking you far more fiercely.

    However as a Bengali I can tell you one thing, we Bengalis will always be 100% behind Pakhtuns and we know the true nature of Pakhtuns. Yes, you Punjabis call honest and simple Pakhtuns as "stupid" and "dumb and naive Pathans", but for us we call it honesty, honour and integrity.

    The Bengal Tiger defeated you in 1971 when it SMASHED your Punjabi army and made them surrender in the biggest en masse surrender in modern history.

    On this forum, there is a Bengal tiger who will be here to deal with you and your lies, your propaganda, your hatred for Muslims and your racism.

    The Bengal Tiger is ready to refute you intellectually.

    Bring it on Punjabi!





    Colonel Osmani, architect of Bengali victory in 1971 on the far right.



    Last edited by Bengal_Tiger; 04-13-2010 at 09:23 PM.

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