Kanzal ao Khairey.

[Qrratugai]

I notice that a lot of Pukhtuns do kanzal and give khairey too much. (Well, some men might use kanzal, while the women might be known for khairey, eh?) Sometimes, it's either one or the other, but often, it's both.
Reminds me of one of Ghani Khan's verses:

Pa wallah cha la janata ba sham stoon
Ka kanzal pakey wanuwram da pukhtoon

What do you guys think of kanzal/khaire, and why do you suppose some people enjoy it so much? It's become a part of our culture, it seems, but how do you think it affects us, our reputation, and our youth?

[Zahid Buneray]

Kanzal is a very bad habit and sometime, it destroys the families.
It said that when two people are fighting, especially when the women are fighting, don't concentrate that on what issue they fight. Just listen to them as what they are saying to each other.

You will hear strange and un believable news through it and it will take serious outcome. However, I will say, that it is not only a Pakhtun culture. It says that;

Don't promise some one at the time of happiness and don't speak to someone at the time of great anger. It means, all human being have the same attitude.

However, bad is bad and we should it anyway.

So far the Kherey is concern. It is an art. Everybody can't do it. However, we should put it in the category of expressions as a person is sending strong messages through kherey and being the supporters of freedom of expressions, we should accept its reality.

A book of Rasool Ghamzatove is under translation with me. The writer quotes some kherey of his homeland "Daghistan" in a chapter. What beautiful kherey he quoted in it? I wish we have such meaningful kherey in our society!!

Khudai de okee che sta pa kore key mashwaro warkawalo wala mshar patey na shee.

IN Pakhtun society, we always make dua that " Masharan kho de khudai da chargano hom tsa na kai" but we don't have such kherey.

There is another khera of Daghistan;

Khudai de pa bewafa khaza warawa.

I don't think that it is sending bad message to the world as this is not only related to Pakhtun tradition. However, our kherey should be polished and it will be polished once our people especially women folk gets educated.

It also doesn't mean that all our kherey or "bad mouthing" are not civilized.

Stargey de zaan ta sha" it is a beautiful way of defensive words against those having bad sight on you.

"khudai de pa neeka warawa" is another sentence.

But mostly kherey are too bad. I really get upset when I hear it from a mother to her children.

If it was a posh area of Lala Zar Karachi where I use to go for study or if it is the posh areas of Peshawar or if it's a village, I usually hear such words of Pakhtun women;

Khudai darbandey tandar rartao ka, kor ta rasha.

Da tantareen na rartao shey, shor ma kawa.

Da talaqi zoya, daa tsa kay.

Ya to totey totey rashey.

Pa golo soray shey, cheenee raora

Now some kherey are invented by women folk in swat and other troubled areas like;

Wa ta shelling darbandey osha

Pa topa waloozey

Khudai de pa gola waloozawa

Misile darbandey rasha

[Taurean]

Reminds me of one of Ghani Khan's verses:

Pa wallah cha la janata ba sham stoon
Ka kanzal pakey wanuwram da pukhtoon


I think Ghani Baba does not take the story of abuse literally here - rather he expresses his love of and closeness to pakhtuns. He does not value heaven worth anything if there are no pakhtuns in it.

Regarding abuse, I think: It should be avoided and I do think it represents the negative sides of a culture. In Europe, ppl dont abuse (not that common, at least thats what I think)...they would rather AVOID you...and the effect is much better than abusing.

[Qrratugai]

@ Zahid Lala: Certainly, it's not just Pukhtuns, but since this is a Pukhtun forum, I figured I should bring it up. I witness Pukhtuns doing it but rarely do I witness non-Pukhtuns talking like that. Sometimes I tease a sister of mine when she's late while I'm waiting for her or something and say, "I hope something EATS you! :mad2:" But I'm referring more to khairey that go like, "Khudey de pa stargo rranda ka"; "khudey de khaaore ka"; "Khudey dee miraata ka"; or some other "khudey de" dasi dasi ka. It's way too common with our womenfolk, and they'll use it in reference to their children more than to anyone else. It is bad in two ways I can think of: 1) It can have serious mental effects on these children, and 2) These children will get so accustomed to hearing such curses that they'll think it's perfectly okay to curse others and grow up to do it to their own children, and it'll become another of the vicious cycles we often have to suffer in.

Now, I think that if some khairey have a positive message in it, then it's not "khairey." Or then maybe I've always believed that khairey are bad...? Like if it's some of the examples you gave ("khudey de pa neka waarawa" and and "starge de zaan ta sha"), then it's a prayer instead of a curse, don't you think?

And kanzal... personally, I have no respect for someone who swears (whether in English or some other language), but in Pukhto, most of our curse words include -- oh Geez, LOL -- particular body parts (sometimes female ones, no?). And LOL @ Zahid that it's an art and everyone can't do it. I think you're right; I totally can't do it, hahahaha. :confused4:

[Ludin]

One thing I came up about Kanzel is that, we Pashtun are proud nation. We are known for bravery, warriors and all the other tough characteristics (although we are on both extreme ends, we are either very generous or we are deadly). We don't try to use soft words because that would show that we are soft. So we try to cover up our softness by appearing different from the outside - tough. Kanzelays are part of being tough. But the key thing is that we almost never mean it literally. We say it as a joke. Some may not agree with this.

In summer of 2006, when I went to Afghanistan. I heard many kids swearing and I didn't really understood about 80% of the kanzelays. And I am talking about 4 and 5 years old.:sick:

[Taurean]

In summer of 2006, when I went to Afghanistan. I heard many kids swearing and I didn't really understood about 80% of the kanzelays. And I am talking about 4 and 5 years old.:sick:

Lol yeah...I heard some abuses and it was just soooo hilarious. They (grown-ups) used words that you will never ever expect to be part of an abuse.

[Gohar Nangyal]

لالا خبرې خو ډېرې ؤشوې خو يوه خبره چې زۀ پۀ ګوته کؤل غواړم نو هغه دا ده چې ښېرې دَ مظلوم زړۀ آۀ وی، هغه کۀ پۀ لاره کښې دَ چا بل چا لۀ اړخه وی او کۀ پۀ کور کښې دَ مور او پلار لۀ اړخه نافرمانه زوئې لوڼو ته خو تر څو پورې چې دَ مور تعلق دے نو دَ مور ښېرې نۀ قبلېږی، داسې خلک وائی ځکه چې مور پرې هم دَ زړۀ نه ښېرې نۀ کوی او ما خو داسې خلک هم لېدلی دی چې وۍ تۀ وروک نۀ شی، ميرات مۀ شې، مړ مۀ شې او داسې نور
خو تر څو پورې چې دَ کنځلو/ښکنځا/ زيړو تعلق دے نو دا دَ خراب ماحول او خراب تربيت عکاسی کوی. داسې هم کېدے چې چې سړے ډېر غصه شی نو هغه خپله غصه پۀ کنځلو ؤباسی
دَ کنځلو پۀ حقله يو دانشور وائی چې پۀ پردۍ ژبه کښې هر څۀ خوند کوی خو دا کنځل داسې شے دے چې تر څو دې پۀ خپله ژبه کښې نۀ وی کړې نو سود به دې نۀ کېږی

[WatanGul]

په والله چې د جنته به شم ستون
چې کنځل پکښې وانۀ ورم دپښتون
او ګوهر جانه دخېرو خو ډير ډولونه دي٠ لکه زميداري خېری، بدني خېرې، نو زه به درته د اټوموبائل خېرو کيسه وکړم٠ يو ورځ دمردان نه په فلائېنګ کوچ کې کلي ته تللم کلېنډر د يوئ سورلئ نه دوه روپئ زياته کرايه واخيسته او سورلئ ورسره اخته شوه٠
سورلئ: هلکه ټائر د پنچر شه دوه روپئ واپس راکړه٠
کلنېډر: نه .....تيل ګران شوي دي او کرايه زياته شوې ده٠
سورلئ : وه ته شاکبزرې دی ماتې شه دوه روپئ واپس راکړه٠
د شاکبزر د نوم سره ډرائېور يو ټوپ وواهه٠
سورلئ : وه ته ايکسل د مات شه دوه روپئ ٠٠٠٠٠٠٠٠٠٠د خبری سره ډرائېور بريک ونيسلو او کلېنډر ته ئې وفرمائېل٠
ډرائېور: وه ته کور دی وران شه دوه روپئ واپس که ٠ دا سورلئ خو د پنځوستو روپو نه کمه خېره نه کوي٠
ما دسورلئ نه تپوس وکړو چې ته څه کار کوی٠
سورلئ : زما د سپئر پارټس دوکان دې٠

[Gohar Nangyal]

:laughing:2:laughing:2:laughing:2:laughing:2

ياره کلی واله سم دَ خندا نه دې مړ کړم، دَ دې مطلب دا شو چې کنځل هم هغه راځی پۀ کومه کښې دَ سړی مفاد وی او يا ئې لۀ کومې خبرې خپله خار کېږی او يا لۀ چا نه سوځی
اوس به درته زۀ هم يو قيصه ؤکړم، يوه ورځ باتور پۀ حجره کښې يو سړی سره پۀ جنګ شو دے خو دَ اے اين پی دے او هغه دَ بل ګوند وو،دَ ډېرې غصې نه ورته باتور څۀ دا رنګ ګويا شو
خدائې خو کښې ګوند ټوټې کا
خدائې دې پکښې فارورډ بلاک جوړ کړی
خدائې دې چرې ستاسو حکومت رانۀولی
خدائې دې غړی زمونږ ګوند ته راوله او داسې نورې ډېرې ښېرې ئې کؤلې نو ما هم ورته يوه ښېره ؤکړه او هغه دا وه چې خدائې دې ستاسو حکومت راؤلی

LOL!Sanga qisa sa kha wa aue kana....................:icon_biggrin:

[Sinzela]

په والله چې د جنته به شم ستون
چې کنځل پکښې وانۀ ورم دپښتون
او ګوهر جانه دخېرو خو ډير ډولونه دي٠ لکه زميداري خېری، بدني خېرې، نو زه به درته د اټوموبائل خېرو کيسه وکړم٠ يو ورځ دمردان نه په فلائېنګ کوچ کې کلي ته تللم کلېنډر د يوئ سورلئ نه دوه روپئ زياته کرايه واخيسته او سورلئ ورسره اخته شوه٠
سورلئ: هلکه ټائر د پنچر شه دوه روپئ واپس راکړه٠
کلنېډر: نه .....تيل ګران شوي دي او کرايه زياته شوې ده٠
سورلئ : وه ته شاکبزرې دی ماتې شه دوه روپئ واپس راکړه٠
د شاکبزر د نوم سره ډرائېور يو ټوپ وواهه٠
سورلئ : وه ته ايکسل د مات شه دوه روپئ ٠٠٠٠٠٠٠٠٠٠د خبری سره ډرائېور بريک ونيسلو او کلېنډر ته ئې وفرمائېل٠
ډرائېور: وه ته کور دی وران شه دوه روپئ واپس که ٠ دا سورلئ خو د پنځوستو روپو نه کمه خېره نه کوي٠
ما دسورلئ نه تپوس وکړو چې ته څه کار کوی٠
سورلئ : زما د سپئر پارټس دوکان دې٠

HAHAHA! Wallah de khanda na de mra kam. Nezhde de chowkai na walwedum...lol

I personally love this part of our culture. For me, it signifies how close we are to one another and how much our love for one another truly is unconditional. Of course, I will add that everything has its own place and time. So, as long as the time and place is right, it's a go, as far as I'm concerned.

[Erlangner]

:laughing:2:laughing:2:laughing:2:laughing:2

ياره کلی واله سم دَ خندا نه دې مړ کړم، دَ دې مطلب دا شو چې کنځل هم هغه راځی پۀ کومه کښې دَ سړی مفاد وی او يا ئې لۀ کومې خبرې خپله خار کېږی او يا لۀ چا نه سوځی
اوس به درته زۀ هم يو قيصه ؤکړم، يوه ورځ باتور پۀ حجره کښې يو سړی سره پۀ جنګ شو دے خو دَ اے اين پی دے او هغه دَ بل ګوند وو،دَ ډېرې غصې نه ورته باتور څۀ دا رنګ ګويا شو
خدائې خو کښې ګوند ټوټې کا
خدائې دې پکښې فارورډ بلاک جوړ کړی
خدائې دې چرې ستاسو حکومت رانۀولی
خدائې دې غړی زمونږ ګوند ته راوله او داسې نورې ډېرې ښېرې ئې کؤلې نو ما هم ورته يوه ښېره ؤکړه او هغه دا وه چې خدائې دې ستاسو حکومت راؤلی

LOL!Sanga qisa sa kha wa aue kana....................:icon_biggrin:


Yarra, khere ao qisam qisam, da de automobile khere, ao bya pakkay siasi khere. batoor khere ham lagedallay dee, zakka che mehsood sahib forward block jor karede.
Khode gohar nangyal sahib khera de Batoor khan pa partae dera badda lagedallay da.
Os warta dua ham okka, che Khodae ye da hukoomat na khlass kee.

[Batoor]

Yarra, khere ao qisam qisam, da de automobile khere, ao bya pakkay siasi khere. batoor khere ham lagedallay dee, zakka che mehsood sahib forward block jor karede.
Khode gohar nangyal sahib khera de Batoor khan pa partae dera badda lagedallay da.
Os warta dua ham okka, che Khodae ye da hukoomat na khlass kee.

Pa khudey chey Gohar ma sera der bed karee dee.Dasey kherey ye rata karee dee chey na mrem ao na raghegem.
Tol Gend Mejlasyano(MMA Govt) pa peenza kala hookoomet key jor kare dey,Kha pa qalar peenza kala ye ter kra,Da pukhtoon dushmen mullaha ,da Joomat da chanree na Millionaire pa peenza kala key jor sho ,ao pa khudey sok ye noom hum na akhlee.Zamoong golalee mashooman ye suicide bombers jor kra,ao mullah sok hum bed na y.

Zamoong ANP pa yao kal hookomet key kho siref khpel maree khakh kra no,nor moong sa karee dee.
ISI,ALQAIDA,TALIB,MULLAH,Pak ARMY moong pa golo wajnee ao da KW melgaree mo pa khabaro ao peghoroono wajee.

[spinsahar]

QRATUGAI waim sa key os pa Kanzalo ao Khero bandey Ph.D ke sa ?

[Abasin]

I think Ghani Baba does not take the story of abuse literally here - rather he expresses his love of and closeness to pakhtuns. He does not value heaven worth anything if there are no pakhtuns in it.

Bilqol, da Ghani Khan Baba da shayirai wena che somra sada da no domra pa matlab pura da ya ba owam che yo land ghonte sher ye so arkheeza matlaboona lari.

Pa wallah che da janata ba sham stoon,
kah kanzal pake wanawram da Pukhtoon.

Zama pa fikar kho Ghani khan baba da naghwari che Pukhtano de yo bal ta bad rad aw staghe spore wayee kho de khabare ta ishara zaror kawee che pa kanzalo aw khero ke asli aw such Pukhto prata da, zaka che pa Pukhto jaba da Arabai aw da Angrezai na elawa yo khwa da Urdai aw balkhwa da Parsai der ghat asar day aw dagha shan pa amo khabaro ke even syasi aw tijarati khabro ke hom zamoong da kalo na da Pukhto khpal hagha asli taki wrokeegi kho da shayirai na elawa bya pa kanzalo khero aw doghagano ke zamung da jabe asli roh da zargoono kaloono zarah taki laghat aw mohaviro sara sara zamung da ulas tareekh hom zahirai aw zaka hom dere khere aw kanzale dee che pa hagha Pukhtano hom na poheegi che da de matlab ba sah wee zaka che dagha khere dere pokhanai hom kedeshi.

Nor manam che Kanzal aw khere kho jahalat day kho kah khyal okreshi no koom khalaq che der kanzal kawee no da hagha khalqo ya da yo tabqe pasmandgi hom zahirai che da khalaq la os hom da taghleem da ranran na mahroom dee. Taghleem der kha shay day kho arman che dagha taghleemi nizam che koom mung sakh day che tole pa Pukhto ke we no dera ba kha wa. Kho tar tolo da kar khabara daa da che hom dagha jahalat ya dah taghleem nimgartya zamung dah jabe pah kar raghalay day aw zamung jaba ye jwandai satale da aw daa hom da che kah yo kas der hom pardo jabo sara ashna wee aw dah khoshalai dah khadai pa wakht aw ya hase dah khpale loyai pa khatir che sook me hokhyar aw taghleem e yafta oganri no dah noro jabo taki istimalai ya pah noro jabo ke gahgeegi sanga che wayee che "mara kheta parsi wayee" kho che kala dah gham afsoos aw dah ghuse zai rashi no hagha bya pah pradai jaba ke dah haghe sahi izhar na shi kawalay sanga che ye pukhto ke kawalay she.

Pukhtano kah kanzal aw khere kawee no dogha hom da zrah da ikhlas kawee che sook warsra yawa kha khabara oki aw ya ye sah khegara oki aw pa dagha drewo waro ke mung sakha sucha pukhto prata da.

Laka khodai de Sakhi Arsala Khan ka.
Dagha dogha mung ta da Arsala Khan da door qise bya rataza kawee.

Da morah ghar she.
Zelay da kabal she awlad de pa sam aw ghar khor sha.
Dagha dogha mung ta da Yousafzo aw da Pukhtano tareekh rataza kawee.

Pa Malkandi olage, pa malkandi sooray she.
Da Malakand hagha topake che Pukhtano ghazyano ta 1897 ke da angrezano na pate shawee we.

Khodai de da Dakan zanri ta kooz ka.
Da nasham wayalay che da da pokhano dogha wa aw kah khera.

Pa Hind wrok she.
Angharay de pa ghara sha
Pa wattanoono wrok she.
Yani dar pa dar she spak spoor she.

Pa anghari ke de shin zarghon sha
Pa anghari ke da wakha rawokheja
Pa anghari ke de gaya zarghona sha.
Yani nasal de pate mah sha khandan de tala targha sha.

Da hujre jamaldar she.
Che mung ta zamung kaltoor khayee

Pa zamboorak sooray she.

Zamboor kho amboor ta wayee kho zamboorak zama pa khyal da Arbyano da manjanaik/minjanaik pa shan yo seez wo che pa jangoono ke ba karawalay sho aw da haghe pa zariya ba ye da dushman pa fozoono aoroona aw ghat ghat kanri artawol/weshtal aw da hisar dewaloona ba ye pre matol

No da qisam doghagane aw khere na ela mung ta zamung asli tareekh rakhayee balke mung ta khpal rawaj aw kaltoor hom khai.

Dera kha aw der khwandawar topic day wrora der manana! :icon_biggrin:

[Shamshatu]

Malcolm X said that people only swear because they don't have the words to express themselves

[dardmand]

I notice that a lot of Pukhtuns do kanzal and give khairey too much. (Well, some men might use kanzal, while the women might be known for khairey, eh?) Sometimes, it's either one or the other, but often, it's both.
Reminds me of one of Ghani Khan's verses:

Pa wallah cha la janata ba sham stoon
Ka kanzal pakey wanuwram da pukhtoon

What do you guys think of kanzal/khaire, and why do you suppose some people enjoy it so much? It's become a part of our culture, it seems, but how do you think it affects us, our reputation, and our youth?
I
can only interpret the couplet thus:

I think Ghani Baba has said that he would not be interested in a paradise which lacks the all frankness of Pashtun society. He also eulogizes the abusive nature (again simple, plain, straightforward and frank) of Pashtuns. Abuse is natural as against cultured behavour which is artificial. This is the typical trait of Pashtuns that their society is free of the so-called cultured formalism of the modern world.

[dardmand]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWZIJ...e=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWZIJGyoNSU&feature=channel_page)
laka che pa de video ke Asfandiyar Khan sa wail ghwarhi kho bia chup shi.:icon_biggrin:

[Batoor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWZIJ...e=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWZIJGyoNSU&feature=channel_page)
laka che pa de video ke Asfandiyar Khan sa wail ghwarhi kho bia chup shi.:icon_biggrin:
Swahiba
Ao,Ao.
Alaka,kho oo ye vaya kena,Pa zra waley zor Rawaley.

[WatanGul]

هغوي سره چې مونږ خبره کوله نو په دی رڼا کې مو کوله چې کله بش راغلی وو.
کله چې بش راغی اسلام اباد ته نو هغه پاکستان له هیڅ ورنکړه ما سواﺉ د د یوی خبری نه چې هغه یی وکړه چې هغه وویل چې زمونږ فیصله دا ده چې په قبایلي سیمه کې او کومی ته چې مونږ پښتونخوا وایو په دی کې به مونږ کارخانی اجازت ورکوو چې کارخانی جوړې شي خو داسې کارخانې به یی چې د هغې د پاره به مونږ کوټه مقررو په امریکه کې لکه د اوردن او اسراییل په رنګ تجارتی معاهده
زه امریکې ته بنیادی طور تلی دکه جنګ پسې وم.

نو وه ساده ګله خو د خپلی پارټی مرکزي کمیټی ته به دی وییلي وو کنه په جرمني کې عامو خلکو ته دی وینا وکړه او د سټیټ ډیپارټمنټ سره خبری ستا نه مخکې پاکستان ته ورسیدي او په ټوله قبایلي سیمه کې داسې لمبی بلی شوی چې خوارانو ته د کارخانو په ځاﺉ ادیری او مقبری ملاو شوی. او د خار نه تر وزیرستانه د هاﺉوی په ځاﺉ د وینو دریاب جوړ شو.
ستا څه خیال وو چې آﺉ. ایس. آﺉ به تا داسی کارخانو جوړولو ته پریږدي ؟؟؟؟ د قبایلو ټول د سر مشران دی پری ووژل او پرون یی خیال اکبر کاکا هم په خپل کور کې شهید کړلو
غنی خان وایي
منصوره دغه ځاﺉ کې تیروتلی
چې د زړګي راز د حجرو له یوړو

[Batoor]

It is crap from watan Gul.Rubbish.Non sense

Za Mara,Watan Gula,Tashpanria,Da Tareekh na beykhabara,Ta pukhtano Da Qatl i AAm kho Da 1979 na shoro dey.Da kho da hagha Sazish eesa da chey zamoong mashtrano Bacha Khan ao Wali khan ba tre pukhtana mane kol.Da waley da Asfandyar pa napohey wajel kegee sa.
Again I warn you that Do,t insult Asfandyar .Do,t blame him for mistakes he has not done otherwise bia ba lanja jora shee.

sta Hagha Meesal dey

Y ko*********sabregee kho k******na ye na sabregee.Za na pohegem chey ta kom Dela pa PMAP key preykhodey.

[dardmand]

watan gula da post de da de zai na lare ka ao hagha bal zai ke ye post ka. asfandiyar thread ke. halta ba pre sar khog krho. manana

[dardmand]

هغوي سره چې مونږ خبره کوله نو په دی رڼا کې مو کوله چې کله بش راغلی وو.
کله چې بش راغی اسلام اباد ته نو هغه پاکستان له هیڅ ورنکړه ما سواﺉ د د یوی خبری نه چې هغه یی وکړه چې هغه وویل چې زمونږ فیصله دا ده چې په قبایلي سیمه کې او کومی ته چې مونږ پښتونخوا وایو په دی کې به مونږ کارخانی اجازت ورکوو چې کارخانی جوړې شي خو داسې کارخانې به یی چې د هغې د پاره به مونږ کوټه مقررو په امریکه کې لکه د اوردن او اسراییل په رنګ تجارتی معاهده
زه امریکې ته بنیادی طور تلی دکه جنګ پسې وم.

نو وه ساده ګله خو د خپلی پارټی مرکزي کمیټی ته به دی وییلي وو کنه په جرمني کې عامو خلکو ته دی وینا وکړه او د سټیټ ډیپارټمنټ سره خبری ستا نه مخکې پاکستان ته ورسیدي او په ټوله قبایلي سیمه کې داسې لمبی بلی شوی چې خوارانو ته د کارخانو په ځاﺉ ادیری او مقبری ملاو شوی. او د خار نه تر وزیرستانه د هاﺉوی په ځاﺉ د وینو دریاب جوړ شو.
ستا څه خیال وو چې آﺉ. ایس. آﺉ به تا داسی کارخانو جوړولو ته پریږدي ؟؟؟؟ د قبایلو ټول د سر مشران دی پری ووژل او پرون یی خیال اکبر کاکا هم په خپل کور کې شهید کړلو
غنی خان وایي
منصوره دغه ځاﺉ کې تیروتلی
چې د زړګي راز د حجرو له یوړو

Basically they were there to lobby for ANP. They had the industrialist Naseem ur Rahman in the delegation. The point was to convince the Americans that ANP is not a threat to the capitalist corporate world and is therefore anti-revolution and anti-radicalism. ROZs were just a goodwill gesture from the Americans to wow them with the booty if they continue to act like this.

ANP had done the right thing at that time (this is how politics in today’s world operates). One can also absolve ANP of the criticism that it relied more on some winning horses in the elections than to prepare the party workers to strengthen their roots amongthe masses. Even one can also give ANP the benefit of doubt that the party remained silent over the issue of the establishment’s open support for Talibans from the inception of its coming in to power. What I lament about ANP is that it has become a party of opportunists and corrupt people. Fairness is the hallmark of any organization and this is the thing which ANP lacks. The very luster of the party is tainted with nepotism, opportunism and corruption of all sorts. This is what we see at the gross roots level or at least it is the perception.

[dardmand]

It is crap from watan Gul.Rubbish.Non sense

Za Mara,Watan Gula,Tashpanria,Da Tareekh na beykhabara,Ta pukhtano Da Qatl i AAm kho Da 1979 na shoro dey.Da kho da hagha Sazish eesa da chey zamoong mashtrano Bacha Khan ao Wali khan ba tre pukhtana mane kol.Da waley da Asfandyar pa napohey wajel kegee sa.
Again I warn you that Do,t insult Asfandyar .Do,t blame him for mistakes he has not done otherwise bia ba lanja jora shee.

sta Hagha Meesal dey

Y ko*********sabregee kho k******na ye na sabregee.Za na pohegem chey ta kom Dela pa PMAP key preykhodey.

Qurutogai!
This is a practical demonstration of what I was trying to say. ha ha ha:D

[Batoor]

Qurutogai!
This is a practical demonstration of what I was trying to say. ha ha ha:D

Swahiba
Bel meesal ba dey verkarey kao kena ,yara.
Wa Alaka,Derdmenda ,Qadermenda ,Haghey pakhwano masharo ba dera Kenza kola.Moong kho der kha u ,mara.

[dardmand]

Swahiba
Bel meesal ba dey verkarey kao kena ,yara.
Wa Alaka,Derdmenda ,Qadermenda ,Haghey pakhwano masharo ba dera Kenza kola.Moong kho der kha u ,mara.
kho de kazalo kho **le yoo kana.:icon_biggrin:

[Batoor]

Basically they were there to lobby for ANP. They had the industrialist Naseem ur Rahman in the delegation. The point was to convince the Americans that ANP is not a threat to the capitalist corporate world and is therefore anti-revolution and anti-radicalism. ROZs were just a goodwill gesture from the Americans to wow them with the booty if they continue to act like this.

ANP had done the right thing at that time (this is how politics in today’s world operates). One can also absolve ANP of the criticism that it relied more on some winning horses in the elections than to prepare the party workers to strengthen their roots amongthe masses. Even one can also give ANP the benefit of doubt that the party remained silent over the issue of the establishment’s open support for Talibans from the inception of its coming in to power. What I lament about ANP is that it has become a party of opportunists and corrupt people. Fairness is the hallmark of any organization and this is the thing which ANP lacks. The very luster of the party is tainted with nepotism, opportunism and corruption of all sorts. This is what we see at the gross roots level or at least it is the perception.


Derdmenda,Qadermenda
Oobakha,I do,t agree with you.This is the propegenda against ANP .Pakistani elite can,t digest the Govt of Pashtoons,nationalist ANP in Pukhtoonkhwa.
Corruption in third world is very common.Do,t balme ANP for the problem which is there since years.Secondly ,ANP is facing insurgency in Pukhtoonkhwa which is probably one of the main factors affacting governanace.
Tell me honestly,Do,t you think that MAA Govt was the most corrupt ever in the history of Pakistan.MMA enjoyed 5 years Govt,made million of dollars and left this mess to ANP and cosequently ANP is paying a very heavy price for it.Why did,t we hear the real stories of corruption of MMA govt .
ANP is the sole victim of TALIBAN,ALQAIDA,ISI,ARMY and watan Gul kinda Duffer ,third class nationalists.
Listen,nationalists from PMAP.Your compaign against ANP to defame and degarde it will get you nowhere .It will rather go in favour of other parties.
I do,t understand why you guys all the times insult our leaders and workers.
Look at your role on IDPs Issue.How Jumati Islami took political advatage out of the IDPs issue.
You,useless PMAP did nothing for IDPs.You shoud have gone to the camps and exploited this situation .Instead of insulting ANP you should have won the confidence of pashtoons of Swat and Malakand.PMAP is a big threat to pashtoon nationalism.Tell me the place where you made the difference.Your mehmood khan is more worried about the survival of Pakistan than anyone else.
PMAP is bunch of liars.

[dardmand]

Derdmenda,Qadermenda
Oobakha,I do,t agree with you.This is the propegenda against ANP .Pakistani elite can,t digest the Govt of Pashtoons,nationalist ANP in Pukhtoonkhwa.
Corruption in third world is very common.Do,t balme ANP for the problem which is there since years.Secondly ,ANP is facing insurgency in Pukhtoonkhwa which is probably one of the main factors affacting governanace.
Tell me honestly,Do,t you think that MAA Govt was the most corrupt ever in the history of Pakistan.MMA enjoyed 5 years Govt,made million of dollars and left this mess to ANP and cosequently ANP is paying a very heavy price for it.Why did,t we hear the real stories of corruption of MMA govt .
ANP is the sole victim of TALIBAN,ALQAIDA,ISI,ARMY and watan Gul kinda Duffer ,third class nationalists.
Listen,nationalists from PMAP.Your compaign against ANP to defame and degarde it will get you nowhere .It will rather go in favour of other parties.
I do,t understand why you guys all the times insult our leaders and workers.
Look at your role on IDPs Issue.How Jumati Islami took political advatage out of the IDPs issue.
You,useless PMAP did nothing for IDPs.You shoud have gone to the camps and exploited this situation .Instead of insulting ANP you should have won the confidence of pashtoons of Swat and Malakand.PMAP is a big threat to pashtoon nationalism.Tell me the place where you made the difference.Your mehmood khan is more worried about the survival of Pakistan than anyone else.
PMAP is bunch of liars.
za kho ba de obakham kho pukhtana ba mo onabakhi. zan pohe ka.

[Batoor]

za kho ba de obakham kho pukhtana ba mo onabakhi. zan pohe ka.

A Zalima,Zema Ao Sta kho Yao Fiker dey,Mara.

[WatanGul]

هغوي سره چې مونږ خبره کوله نو په دی رڼا کې مو کوله چې کله بش راغلی وو.
کله چې بش راغی اسلام اباد ته نو هغه پاکستان له هیڅ ورنکړه ما سواﺉ د د یوی خبری نه چې هغه یی وکړه چې هغه وویل چې زمونږ فیصله دا ده چې په قبایلي سیمه کې او کومی ته چې مونږ پښتونخوا وایو په دی کې به مونږ کارخانی اجازت ورکوو چې کارخانی جوړې شي خو داسې کارخانې به یی چې د هغې د پاره به مونږ کوټه مقررو په امریکه کې لکه د اوردن او اسراییل په رنګ تجارتی معاهده
زه امریکې ته بنیادی طور تلی دکه جنګ پسې وم.

نو وه ساده ګله خو د خپلی پارټی مرکزي کمیټی ته به دی وییلي وو کنه په جرمني کې عامو خلکو ته دی وینا وکړه او د سټیټ ډیپارټمنټ سره خبری ستا نه مخکې پاکستان ته ورسیدي او په ټوله قبایلي سیمه کې داسې لمبی بلی شوی چې خوارانو ته د کارخانو په ځاﺉ ادیری او مقبری ملاو شوی. او د خار نه تر وزیرستانه د هاﺉوی په ځاﺉ د وینو دریاب جوړ شو.
ستا څه خیال وو چې آﺉ. ایس. آﺉ به تا داسی کارخانو جوړولو ته پریږدي ؟؟؟؟ د قبایلو ټول د سر مشران دی پری ووژل او پرون یی خیال اکبر کاکا هم په خپل کور کې شهید کړلو
غنی خان وایي
منصوره دغه ځاﺉ کې تیروتلی
چې د زړګي راز د حجرو له یوړو

I may be wrong but I need the comments of normal members of Hujra with logic please.

[Batoor]

I may be wrong but I need the comments of normal members of Hujra with logic please.

Zahid lala replied to one of your posts in the thread "Urdu Translation of Bacha Khan & K. Khidmatgarie ".Take a look.
You are a mentally sick ,suffering fron inferiority complex.You were the one who insulted the family of Asfandyar wali khan a few months back.Is this what normal people do.In every thread you try to insult ANP,s leaders and workers.You sent me Private messages in which you sweared at me.
Masher sarey ye ,Dey umer ta dey ogora ao dey kar ta dey ogora.

[Gohar Nangyal]

Basically they were there to lobby for ANP. They had the industrialist Naseem ur Rahman in the delegation. The point was to convince the Americans that ANP is not a threat to the capitalist corporate world and is therefore anti-revolution and anti-radicalism. ROZs were just a goodwill gesture from the Americans to wow them with the booty if they continue to act like this.
ANP had done the right thing at that time (this is how politics in today’s world operates). One can also absolve ANP of the criticism that it relied more on some winning horses in the elections than to prepare the party workers to strengthen their roots amongthe masses. Even one can also give ANP the benefit of doubt that the party remained silent over the issue of the establishment’s open support for Talibans from the inception of its coming in to power. What I lament about ANP is that it has become a party of opportunists and corrupt people. Fairness is the hallmark of any organization and this is the thing which ANP lacks. The very luster of the party is tainted with nepotism, opportunism and corruption of all sorts. This is what we see at the gross roots level or at least it is the perception.

:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping: :clapping:

[Gohar Nangyal]

This is the propegenda against ANP .Pakistani elite can,t digest the Govt of Pashtoons,nationalist ANP in Pukhtoonkhwa.
ANP is facing insurgency in Pukhtoonkhwa which is probably one of the main factors affacting governanace.
ANP is the sole victim of TALIBAN,ALQAIDA,ISI,ARMY and watan Gul kinda Duffer ,third class nationalists.
Your compaign against ANP to defame and degarde it will get you nowhere .It will rather go in favour of other parties.
IYou,useless PMAP did nothing for IDPs.
PMAP is a big threat to pashtoon nationalism.
PMAP is bunch of liars.

مړه يار تا خو هم دغه يو څو خبرې زده کړې دی او بار بار ئې کوې، مړه خدائې ته اوګوره دې پښتونخواميپ نه واوړېږه او بيا وطن ګل خو دې ترۀ دے
يو بله خبره دردمند چرې هم چا پسې سپکې سپورې نه دی کړې نو لږ پۀ خيال سره پرې الزام لګوه:love:ا

[Gohar Nangyal]

derdmenda,qadermenda oobakha.


za kho ba de obakham kho pukhtana ba mo onabakhi. Zan pohe ka.


يره سم وران ئې کنه ښَه،کله کله داسې خبره اوکړې چې سم دَ خندا بيا شين يُو............هسې باتوره ډېر ښه ځواب ئې درکړو ګورے ښَه

[WatanGul]

ګوهر جانه که ای .این. پی یا پي . ایم . ای. پي د چا بوډﺉ ښځی یا بوډا سړي نو م وی بیا هیڅوک حق نه لري چې نوم یی هم په خله راولي. خو که دا د پښتنو ګوندونه وی نو بیا هر پښتون حق لري چې نیوکې پری وکړی او ښه او بده یی په ګوته کړي. او پاتی شول ځینی خلک هفوی درنه خبره کولی نه شي نو کاریزه کاریزی کوي او د ګل بوټی ګلان کوي.

[Batoor]

مړه يار تا خو هم دغه يو څو خبرې زده کړې دی او بار بار ئې کوې، مړه خدائې ته اوګوره دې پښتونخواميپ نه واوړېږه او بيا وطن ګل خو دې ترۀ دے
يو بله خبره دردمند چرې هم چا پسې سپکې سپورې نه دی کړې نو لږ پۀ خيال سره پرې الزام لګوه:love:ا


Gohar Jana
Da watan Gul Ao da PMAP kho hum yawa khabara zda da.

DA ANP jamey oobasel ao Media zamoong berkhilaf da.Nor dwee la sa verzee mera,Ka reeshtya rabandey vey.
Mehmood khan Da Punjabi chief justice da Para Tol pukhtana da Khamar pa khula key verkrel and now CJ is part of that eastiblishemnt which is reponsible for the extrajudicial killing of Amir Eezet and Maulana M.Alam (TNSM).

[dardmand]

Gohar Jana
Da watan Gul Ao da PMAP kho hum yawa khabara zda da.

DA ANP jamey oobasel ao Media zamoong berkhilaf da.Nor dwee la sa verzee mera,Ka reeshtya rabandey vey.
Mehmood khan Da Punjabi chief justice da Para Tol pukhtana da Khamar pa khula key verkrel and now CJ is part of that eastiblishemnt which is reponsible for the extrajudicial killing of Amir Eezet and Maulana M.Alam (TNSM).
alaka batoor khana mong te sirif qamees ao partoog obaso kho underwear warta pregdo. domra khaq ye mano.:)

[Batoor]

alaka batoor khana mong te sirif qamees ao partoog obaso kho underwear warta pregdo. domra khaq ye mano.:)

Wa Swahiba,Sa ba derta ooveima no.Sta pa las kho ma lass neewa karey da.
Pohegem kho na pohegem.
Alaka,Nen seba delta dera germi da ao za pa shot key gerzema,yara.Moong kho ye bia da zan na pakhpela hum oobaso chey kela zarooret rashee.

Alaka,Pa dey akheri khabara soch okra.

[dardmand]

Wa Swahiba,Sa ba derta ooveima no.Sta pa las kho ma lass neewa karey da.
Pohegem kho na pohegem.
Alaka,Nen seba delta dera germi da ao za pa shot key gerzema,yara.Moong kho ye bia da zan na pakhpela hum oobaso chey kela zarooret rashee.

Alaka,Pa dey akheri khabara soch okra.
halaka za khom pa shorts ke garzama. yao hal de. da garmai na mrha shoo.

[Batoor]

halaka za khom pa shorts ke garzama. yao hal de. da garmai na mrha shoo.

Yara,Da Germi Da saree na Jamey oobasee.Sakhtey da sakhto batarey dee,Da dey na dey nora sakhta na v.

[Gohar Nangyal]

ظالمانو ګرمی مو هسې بدنامه کړې ده، دا لانجه څۀ بل څۀ ده، زما پۀ خيال خو دلته نه هم يورپ ورو ورو جوړېږی خو ځه مړۀ زمونږ پرې څۀ دَ کپړې کارخانه دار به پۀ ټپو کښېنی:icon_biggrin: کۀ څنګه باتوره

[dardmand]

ظالمانو ګرمی مو هسې بدنامه کړې ده، دا لانجه څۀ بل څۀ ده، زما پۀ خيال خو دلته نه هم يورپ ورو ورو جوړېږی خو ځه مړۀ زمونږ پرې څۀ دَ کپړې کارخانه دار به پۀ ټپو کښېنی:icon_biggrin: کۀ څنګه باتوره

kha da kana da punjab da revenue yawa lara ba banda shi. mong kho hase khom da julagano kar prekhe de.:icon_biggrin:

[Gohar Nangyal]

kha da kana da punjab da revenue yawa lara ba banda shi. mong kho hase khom da julagano kar prekhe de.:icon_biggrin:
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..............Khabara ki kho di wazn shta, ya kho laka da Arabyano Kandori pakar dee aue ya laka da ferangyano bus hasi aspi la khar werkol ghwaree................:icon_biggrin: ka sanga?????

[dardmand]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..............Khabara ki kho di wazn shta, ya kho laka da Arabyano Kandori pakar dee aue ya laka da ferangyano bus hasi aspi la khar werkol ghwaree................:icon_biggrin: ka sanga?????
tah pake khamakha da gender role hadooke latawe:icon_biggrin:

[daurangir]

Qisa tola Qrratogai da tsah na shoro karrey va ao yaaraano kam khvaa vaarrrola!!!:icon_biggrin: