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[lyla23]

US threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf says he acted responsibly


NEW YORK, Sept 21: The United States threatened to bomb Pakistan “back to the stone age” unless it cooperated in the US-led war on terror, President Pervez Musharraf said in an interview released on Thursday.

Gen Musharraf, whose support for the US-led invasion of Afghanistan was instrumental in the fall of the hardline Taliban regime after the Sept 11, 2001 attacks, said the threat came from former deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage.

“The intelligence director told me that (Armitage) said, ‘Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the stone age’,” Musharraf said in the interview with the ‘60 minutes’ investigative news programme to be broadcast on Sunday.

Musharraf says the threat was delivered to his intelligence director, according to selected transcripts of the interview released by the CBS television network.

“I think it was a very rude remark,” Musharraf says in the interview. “One has to think and take actions in the interests of the nation, and that’s what I did.”

Shortly after the Sept 11 attacks, Pakistan abandoned its support for the Taliban and became a front-line ally in the US-led “war on terror.”

Pakistan has arrested several senior Al Qaeda members including Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, the alleged mastermind of the 2001 attacks.

The South Asian country has also deployed around 80,000 troops at the rugged frontier with Afghanistan to hunt pro-Taliban and Al Qaeda linked militants who sneaked into the area after fleeing the US-led invasion of Afghanistan.

The alleged threat also demanded that Pakistan turn over border posts and bases for the US military to use in the war against the Taliban, which ended with the hardline regime’s collapse in late 2001.

Other “ludicrous” demands required Pakistan to suppress domestic expressions of support for militant attacks on US targets, according to CBS.

“If somebody’s expressing views, we cannot curb the expression of views,” it quoted Musharraf as saying.—AFP

[MandoKhail]

US threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11: Musharraf says he acted responsibly


NEW YORK, Sept 21: The United States threatened to bomb Pakistan “back to the stone age” unless it cooperated in the US-led war on terror, President Pervez Musharraf said in an interview released on Thursday.

Gen Musharraf, whose support for the US-led invasion of Afghanistan was instrumental in the fall of the hardline Taliban regime after the Sept 11, 2001 attacks, said the threat came from former deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage.

“The intelligence director told me that (Armitage) said, ‘Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the stone age’,” Musharraf said in the interview with the ‘60 minutes’ investigative news programme to be broadcast on Sunday.

Musharraf says the threat was delivered to his intelligence director, according to selected transcripts of the interview released by the CBS television network.

“I think it was a very rude remark,” Musharraf says in the interview. “One has to think and take actions in the interests of the nation, and that’s what I did.”

Shortly after the Sept 11 attacks, Pakistan abandoned its support for the Taliban and became a front-line ally in the US-led “war on terror.”

Pakistan has arrested several senior Al Qaeda members including Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, the alleged mastermind of the 2001 attacks.

The South Asian country has also deployed around 80,000 troops at the rugged frontier with Afghanistan to hunt pro-Taliban and Al Qaeda linked militants who sneaked into the area after fleeing the US-led invasion of Afghanistan.

The alleged threat also demanded that Pakistan turn over border posts and bases for the US military to use in the war against the Taliban, which ended with the hardline regime’s collapse in late 2001.

Other “ludicrous” demands required Pakistan to suppress domestic expressions of support for militant attacks on US targets, according to CBS.

“If somebody’s expressing views, we cannot curb the expression of views,” it quoted Musharraf as saying.—AFP
US and all nato countries are stupid...what they are waiting for?:tongue:

[malak_junior]

salam malgaro

Mandokhel grana if you think that by bombing pakistan, it will be musharraf or other elite that will get killed, then you are wrong. Musharraf and co. will be safe but it will be the ordinary pakistani pukhtoons that will get killed. Is that what you want?

manana.

[MandoKhail]

salam malgaro

Mandokhel grana if you think that by bombing pakistan, it will be musharraf or other elite that will get killed, then you are wrong. Musharraf and co. will be safe but it will be the ordinary pakistani pukhtoons that will get killed. Is that what you want?

manana.
ws aw starray massai.
malak seb dont worry nothing gonna happend to pashtoons,atleast now pashtoon knows how to deal with this ranjit singh lashkar.....if USA will bomb then they will bomb GHQ and kahoota not helpless pashtoons...and on other hands pashtoon must stand up before its too late.....pakistan is convincing all world to get permission for distroying pashtoons...here with the help of americans & co we can push punjabi army and thier Al-qaida alies towords lahore and karachi.....this is crucaile time......pashtoon;s must decide which way to go..to fight with honor for freedom or to get butchered by punjabi army.......by the way malak seb i dont call pashtoons a pakistani pashtoons...a word pakistan is insulte for me and all pashtoons.I will call it pashtoonkhwaee pashtoons instead of calling them papistani or punjabistani pashtoons.
ka sanga malak

[Tatara]

This is an indication of a serious deadlock between US and Pakistan as how to deal with Taleban-US wants "serious and solid" action and Pakistan, by raising the spectre of Taleban movement turning into a dangerous Pukhtoon nationalism threatening Pakistan's integrity as well as NATO/US forces in Afghanistan in case of continued military action, is asking for soft measures i.e. a political compromise with Taleban on the style that it reached with them in Waziristan.

By 'ludicrously' linking Taleban with Pukhtoon nationalism and claiming that they have mass support in Paukhtoons, Musharaf was trying to find excuses for Pakistan's deal with Taleban in Waziristan.

It seems West-US haven't bought Musharaf's logic. And probably Western leaders have had a "hard talk" with Musharaf regarding his seriousness to fight Taleban. Probably, they told him what were they giving him money and weapons for if he is not willing to fight Taleban. Probably, ego of Musharaf has been injured and in desperation, he made the "official disclosure" as how Armitage had threatened him. If Musharaf is true, this means he unwillingly cooperated with US against Taleban back in 2001 and that unwillingness still continues. But the question, why was then he thumping his chest to be a front-line ally against terror?

This indicates another thing that situation is worsening for Musharaf. Probably, his utility has exhausted and he can't do more. If this is true then his "future" may be "uncertain". Would he be able to survive, politically, beyond 2007 is highly questionable.

[Tatara]

Probably, diplomacy has failed and the two uneasy friends are talking "straight". Probably, Musharaf tried to embarrass US leaders but they denied what Musharaf said maikg the situation more embarrassing.

[malak_junior]

ws aw starray massai.
malak seb dont worry nothing gonna happend to pashtoons,atleast now pashtoon knows how to deal with this ranjit singh lashkar.....if USA will bomb then they will bomb GHQ and kahoota not helpless pashtoons...and on other hands pashtoon must stand up before its too late.....pakistan is convincing all world to get permission for distroying pashtoons...here with the help of americans & co we can push punjabi army and thier Al-qaida alies towords lahore and karachi.....this is crucaile time......pashtoon;s must decide which way to go..to fight with honor for freedom or to get butchered by punjabi army.......by the way malak seb i dont call pashtoons a pakistani pashtoons...a word pakistan is insulte for me and all pashtoons.I will call it pashtoonkhwaee pashtoons instead of calling them papistani or punjabistani pashtoons.
ka sanga malak

salam malgaro

mandokhel lala i disagree with you on this point. First of all any nation that want to come out of oppression and fight for their rights, needs a strong leadership with a clear vision and crystal clear strategies. This is not visible among the pukhtoons. The masses need some political programme and do it through a political system. Can you tell me which pukhtoon political organisation mobilized the pukhtoon masses against the ethnic cleansing of pukhtoons in waziristan? Which pukhtoon MNA,s or MPA,s resigned because of this. the answer is NONE.

Secondly whether we like it or not but pukhtoons are devided between AFGHANISTAN, INDIA and PAKISTAN, in fact today majority of the pukhtoons are living in pakistan. Pakistan is a political reality and pukhtoons at the moment don,t have their own sovereign state, therefore one has to distinguish pukhtoons by geographical terms. You may hate pakistan but i don,t as i was born there. Its my soil, but as a pushtoon i understand that there are injustices and the unequel distribution of resources by the pakistani establishment. Its that unequel distribution of resources and the pukhtoon identity through changing the name of my provinve to either pukhtoonistan or pukhtoonkhwa that i fight for.

manana.

da pukhtoon qaam da taraqai da para duago yam.

[MandoKhail]

salam malgaro

mandokhel lala i disagree with you on this point. First of all any nation that want to come out of oppression and fight for their rights, needs a strong leadership with a clear vision and crystal clear strategies. This is not visible among the pukhtoons. The masses need some political programme and do it through a political system. Can you tell me which pukhtoon political organisation mobilized the pukhtoon masses against the ethnic cleansing of pukhtoons in waziristan? Which pukhtoon MNA,s or MPA,s resigned because of this. the answer is NONE


Secondly whether we like it or not but pukhtoons are devided between AFGHANISTAN, INDIA and PAKISTAN, in fact today majority of the pukhtoons are living in pakistan. Pakistan is a political reality and pukhtoons at the moment don,t have their own sovereign state, therefore one has to distinguish pukhtoons by geographical terms. You may hate pakistan but i don,t as i was born there. Its my soil, but as a pushtoon i understand that there are injustices and the unequel distribution of resources by the pakistani establishment. Its that unequel distribution of resources and the pukhtoon identity through changing the name of my provinve to either pukhtoonistan or pukhtoonkhwa that i fight for.

manana.

da pukhtoon qaam da taraqai da para duago yam.

malak seb you have your own thoughts and bliefe so here you can disagree with me,it is your right to oppose but opposing just for arguments for arguments is not the solution for our problums,in waziristan you know very well and all of us know clearly that what is going on there,pashtoon nationalist parties have done what is possible in political means as you are pointing but it is up to those pashtoons to stand up and kick these arabs and pakistani terrorist forces out of waziristan,if they keep quite then not a single person will be able to help them,here questions arises,on one hand you called it ethnic cleansing and on other hand you call pakistan your soil? here what shall i understand from your post? on one hand you call it brutal and unhuman and on other hand you called that ppl your brothers and your family who are killing innocent pashtoons.we our selves must be clear our selves first.

From 59 years it is our struggle to achive our rights by peacefull and political means but its not working,becouse your country/soil is not for pashtoons it is simply created for punjabi's,if you consider pakistan as a your soil then i am sorry to say that just leave pashtoons to be butchered by your pakistani soil defender's,pakistani oppression and exploitation will never come to an end unless and untill we all pashtoons kick this paki and punjabi falgs out of our holy motherland,ppl are looking forword towords freedom and we pashtoons are looking forword to defend punjabi/paki intrests,,we must to choose either be a pakistani and to defend pakistan or to be a pashtoon to defend pashtoons and bring freedom to our slave nation...,we are clear in our strategy that where we are going for...it is matter of time that all pashtoons who consider pakistan thier homland will quit it with disgrace.
All pashtoon's who will defend punjabi intrests by defending paki intrests are equally responsible for the mysries and injustices done with pashtoon's by paki and punjabi imperialists,this is the time to be clear in stance...we have two options...to be a pashtoon or to be ally to paki/punjabi's...choice is ours..but we must keep one thing in our minds history will never forgive us if we strenghthen our enemies ......
malak nika chi zma pa khabaro khafa nashai.....i really respect you from bottom of my heart but i have to answer where i feel neccassary to reply..

[malak_junior]

malak seb you have your own thoughts and bliefe so here you can disagree with me,it is your right to oppose but opposing just for arguments for arguments is not the solution for our problums,in waziristan you know very well and all of us know clearly that what is going on there,pashtoon nationalist parties have done what is possible in political means as you are pointing but it is up to those pashtoons to stand up and kick these arabs and pakistani terrorist forces out of waziristan,if they keep quite then not a single person will be able to help them,here questions arises,on one hand you called it ethnic cleansing and on other hand you call pakistan your soil? here what shall i understand from your post? on one hand you call it brutal and unhuman and on other hand you called that ppl your brothers and your family who are killing innocent pashtoons.we our selves must be clear our selves first.

From 59 years it is our struggle to achive our rights by peacefull and political means but its not working,becouse your country/soil is not for pashtoons it is simply created for punjabi's,if you consider pakistan as a your soil then i am sorry to say that just leave pashtoons to be butchered by your pakistani soil defender's,pakistani oppression and exploitation will never come to an end unless and untill we all pashtoons kick this paki and punjabi falgs out of our holy motherland,ppl are looking forword towords freedom and we pashtoons are looking forword to defend punjabi/paki intrests,,we must to choose either be a pakistani and to defend pakistan or to be a pashtoon to defend pashtoons and bring freedom to our slave nation...,we are clear in our strategy that where we are going for...it is matter of time that all pashtoons who consider pakistan thier homland will quit it with disgrace.
All pashtoon's who will defend punjabi intrests by defending paki intrests are equally responsible for the mysries and injustices done with pashtoon's by paki and punjabi imperialists,this is the time to be clear in stance...we have two options...to be a pashtoon or to be ally to paki/punjabi's...choice is ours..but we must keep one thing in our minds history will never forgive us if we strenghthen our enemies ......
malak nika chi zma pa khabaro khafa nashai.....i really respect you from bottom of my heart but i have to answer where i feel neccassary to reply..

salam malgaro.

mandokhel lala salamoona. Umeed laram che kha ba ye aw roje ba kha pa nara neese. Aw roja ba de tangai na.

mandokhel lala you know very well what my point is, yet you still call it an argument for the argument sake. I can,t help you here because you give the impression that those who agree with your point are putting a rational argument and those who disagree with you, argue for the sake of argument. ican,t understand this logic.

When i say that pukhtoon leaders did not MOBILIZE the masses then i mean that as you have seen the pukhtoon mobilisation against kalabagh dam. I did not mean a mere condemnation from pukhtoon leaders. Thats been done by the punjabi leaders such as choudhry shujaat as well. Secondly i think you will be aware that any agitations/demonstrations need to be highly organised preferably by the political leadership, like the one against kalabagh. the people need political backing for gaining something. The ppl can,t do what you are asking them to do without the political organisations, i.e. kicking out the foreign elements out of waziristan.

my point about the brutality in waziristan is very simple. Its not just the punjabis that are participating in waziristan but the pukhtoons in pakistan army as well. are you not aware that the pakistan army core commander that started the operation was the present pukhtoonkhwa governer, ORAKZAI, who calls himself a prominent pukhtoon? And are you not aware that nearly 60% of the fighting pakistan force in waziristan are pukhtoons. Thats why i call it the pakistani brutality and not the punjabi brutality. the question is why these pukhtoon army officers are not defending the pukhtoons in waziristan. Are they not pukhtoons? The reality is , they all serve self interest and no one cares about their ethnic brethrens.

You talk of having clear strategies of freedom for pukhtoons, but mandokhel ror let me be frank, i can,t see any strategy but just rhitorics that will bring nothing for pukhtoons. We have been hearing these rhitorics for the last 59 years without any fruitful results. You say that we serve the punjabi interest which is a baseless blame with no logical evidence. If i say pakistan is my soil, then its a reality i,am taliking about. i,m very much clear about it because i was born there. If we pukhtoons have to go forward, then we need to be obsalutely clear what our objectives are. and those objectives must be realistic and achieveable. If you want real progress then be realistic and support those who can do something for pukhtoons. I can,t see any effective pukhtoon leadership at the moment that can lead pukhtoons. Lets pray that we pukhtoons have a visionary leadership in the future.

manana.
nor bia.

[Khan Baba]

You talk of having clear strategies of freedom for pukhtoons, but mandokhel ror let me be frank, i can,t see any strategy but just rhitorics that will bring nothing for pukhtoons. We have been hearing these rhitorics for the last 59 years without any fruitful results.
I dont know from where did you hear these rhetoric’s. I am hankering for hearing even a rhetoric.
Pukhtun doesnt have any leadership crisis, they are leaders by birth. We only to focus on education, awareness and some guidance.

[malak_junior]

I dont know from where did you hear these rhetoric’s. I am hankering for hearing even a rhetoric.
Pukhtun doesnt have any leadership crisis, they are leaders by birth. We only to focus on education, awareness and some guidance.

salam malgaro and khan baba.

khan baba what can i say to you, hhhhhhh. You haven,t heard those rhitorics in your life from the pukhtoon leadership. khan baba why haven.t we achieved the goals. We were led to believe that the muslim league ANP alliance will be fruitful to the extent that we will change the name of our province, would be able to have a fare share of the resources. IF these goals are not achieved, then what would you call it. Were they not fooling around pukhtoons by some rhitorics by the leadership.

manana.

[Khan Baba]

I think we can criticize the policy and efforts of Wali Khan but not his sincerities. I vividly remember when he opted to join hands with Nawaz Sharif as a last hope to get the rights for the province from a Punjabi Prime Minister. He was rightly of the opinion that only a Punjabi Prime Minister can solve the problems of smaller provinces. Just imagine the amount of sacrifice for that one decision. Admittedly it didnt work but he played even the last cards to gain something for his poverty stricken people.
So there was nothing rhetoric in the decision, I think it was a sincere effort albeit a failure.
However, I have some hopes from Asfandyar Wali Khan. He has to play his role in uniting different Pukhtun nationalists particularly Mr. Achakzai. There is dire need of concerted efforts from all these party leaders with the sole aim of mobilization of masses. And that is to educate the people about their rights, deprivation and their strength.

[farzad khan Armani]

I think we can criticize the policy and efforts of Wali Khan but not his sincerities. I vividly remember when he opted to join hands with Nawaz Sharif as a last hope to get the rights for the province from a Punjabi Prime Minister. He was rightly of the opinion that only a Punjabi Prime Minister can solve the problems of smaller provinces. Just imagine the amount of sacrifice for that one decision. Admittedly it didnt work but he played even the last cards to gain something for his poverty stricken people.
So there was nothing rhetoric in the decision, I think it was a sincere effort albeit a failure.
However, I have some hopes from Asfandyar Wali Khan. He has to play his role in uniting different Pukhtun nationalists particularly Mr. Achakzai. There is dire need of concerted efforts from all these party leaders with the sole aim of mobilization of masses. And that is to educate the people about their rights, deprivation and their strength.

i agree with khan baba here,becuze wali khan baba try his best .
his son asfandyar wali is also an active and clever person but need to make some changes in the top positions plus need to attrect young pashtoons to play active role in party.
they should also follow the democratic way to choose the right person for the disst leadership and party positions.many faithful are not happy with people like azam hoti etc and some leadership on distt level.

the problem with our pashtoons that whenevr something happen againts pashtoons they will look to anp but when the election time come most pashtoons will vote for mullas,pml,pppp etc.
bacha khan baba(late),walikhan (late),mamood khan achakzai,asfandyar wali etc non of them is fail becuze thay tried and they are trying thier best but we pashtoons are failed.
many pashtoons and traitors such as sherpao and new born son of jinah amir maqam and all of the above mulla group is responsable for the failing of this nation.
as long as pashtoon follow mullahs and other paki groups there will be no progress.

in fact mullahs are cuting the roots of pashtoon nation in the name of holy islam.
most of these mullahs have very close links with isi and govt.