I have a question!

[lyla23]

Zama tasoo toalo na yaw swaal dai. Kaafee mooda mai oshwa pa Khyberwatch kai, yawa khabara mai zrha kai wa, nan za tasoo da toalo raayai aghashtal ghwarham ra aghai baara kai.
Ka soak "pukhtoon" nee, no moonga ba da agha insaan izzat na kawoo? Ka soak owayee, che za pukhtoon na em, no moong ba agha kas zaan na "khkata" tasawar kawoo?
Insaan sa seez dai? Yaw pukhtoon ba meena siraf om yaw pukhtoon ta "show" kayee?
Ka ra dai toalo khabaro jawab pa "aao" kai dai no, ra day matlab kho da sho, che da insaan meena pa "caste" daira depend kayee.
Omeed laram che maa ba poya kay.

lyla.

[Khan Baba]

I think you need to rehash your question. Who said that a non-Pukhtun has no respect or doesnt deserve any respect from a Pukhtun. But if you expect a pukhtun to respect his enemy who is grabbing his resources then yes you are right, only fools respect their enemies and I suppose we arent that fool as yet.
Meena is a different think and has no link with respect. If I love someone, it doesnt matter whether he is a bloody Angrez, Pursian or Punjabi. Love is blind you know that. But if the love (she) is just a girl friend then no problem.
However, when we talk of future, kids and marriage then one has to be more choosey. Preferably a Pukhtun should marry a Pukhtun, it is always better for him, his wife and his kids.

[Tatara]

One must not respect a people as low as the "naqal baaz" "quom" of Poonjooobis and their "pathan" "donkeys", even lower and more mean than their Pooonjaaabi masters, on whom Punjabis ride...cowards who go and kiss Pooonjaabis asses to feel "great and modern"...

[lyla23]

I think you need to rehash your question. Who said that a non-Pukhtun has no respect or doesnt deserve any respect from a Pukhtun. But if you expect a pukhtun to respect his enemy who is grabbing his resources then yes you are right, only fools respect their enemies and I suppose we arent that fool as yet.
Meena is a different think and has no link with respect. If I love someone, it doesnt matter whether he is a bloody Angrez, Pursian or Punjabi. Love is blind you know that. But if the love (she) is just a girl friend then no problem.
However, when we talk of future, kids and marriage then one has to be more choosey. Preferably a Pukhtun should marry a Pukhtun, it is always better for him, his wife and his kids.

Thanks jee for your answer. No, I was not talking about love at all. Love la paara kho oozgaaro sara wakht ee.
Ma yaw general "respect" khabara koala. Kho ka yaw kas da pukhtoon enemy ee, no ra dai matlab dai che moonga ba toal non-pukhtoons enemy consider kawoo, aao toal ba agha "category" kai "generalize" kawoo aao ka sanga?

[lyla23]

One must not respect a people as low as the "naqal baaz" "quom" of Poonjooobis and their "pathan" "donkeys", even lower and more mean than their Pooonjaaabi masters, on whom Punjabis ride...cowards who go and kiss Pooonjaabis asses to feel "great and modern"...

Tatara tasoo kho mai ghussa kay jee. Was my question that bad?
Isn't it strange that in my question I have used only "Pukhtoons" but u diverted the whole topic towards Punjabis? Are we (pukhtoons) so much threatened by them(punjabis)?
What are pathan donkeys? Is it a curse, or a special breed of donkeys?

[MandoKhail]

Ka soak "pukhtoon" nee, no moonga ba da agha insaan izzat na kawoo? Ka soak owayee, che za pukhtoon na em, no moong ba agha kas zaan na "khkata" tasawar kawoo?.
Lyla khoray! every human is entitle for respect byond his ethnic background,religion,laguage,cast,creed,country, how many times i my self have explain it in same forum that any pashtoon/pashtoon nationalist if hate ppl without any justification then its racism and i am against that,if any pashtoon hate some ppl on the basis of exploitation of his nation then they are holy ppl and i am proud of these ppl.i think it must be clear now...i am talking in wider aspect not a personal.


Insaan sa seez dai? Yaw pukhtoon ba meena siraf om yaw pukhtoon ta "show" kayee?.
Isaan da khata yaw goday dai....pa da bal de nashwam poh chi da oss kama meena da:sick:


Ka ra dai toalo khabaro jawab pa "aao" kai dai no, ra day matlab kho da sho, che da insaan meena pa "caste" daira depend kayee.
Omeed laram che maa ba poya kay.

lyla.
Bibi gulai for me pashtoon comes first in any case.nor loya khuday khabar chi da meena sa vee aw da cha pa taqdeer ke sa vee......meena pa taqdeer depend kavee...

[DawezayMomand]

Lyla, how did this question come to your mind? Is it having any connection with the nationalists?

[MandoKhail]

Ma yaw general "respect" khabara koala. Kho ka yaw kas da pukhtoon enemy ee, no ra dai matlab dai che moonga ba toal non-pukhtoons enemy consider kawoo, aao toal ba agha "category" kai "generalize" kawoo aao ka sanga?
Lyla!
bibi gulai i know whats in your mind,i can read it,open your mind and put the original question outside,Why you consider JEW's enemy? whats the fault of ordinary JEW's in palestine problume?people makes society,if any society or group of ppl do sach acts which are against any other nation then they are all responsible for that,it is collective responsiblity,i am giving vote to someone and electing him as a member of national or proventail assembly now if he commit any crime against any other nation then who is responsible?he and i my self coz i am the person who gave vote and helped him to be elected,then,if the elected ppl are committing crime as a group representing a group of ppl/society/nation then i must come outside and protest for that injustice,if i am silent it means they have my aproval.Thats the reason.
we are facing a same problume in pakistan where one province is exploiting natural resources of other provinces and victims are crying for thier rights,for this crime they are subjected to be proscute brutly by state machinery composed of one province,here punjabi and punjab province is committing crime against all other countrymen and women coz they are silent on all atrocities like they were in past.

[lyla23]

Lyla, how did this question come to your mind? Is it having any connection with the nationalists?

No, believe me when I was putting it down, at that time I was not thinking about nationalism at all. I will tell you later on why I asked this question.

Mandokhail wror; bibigulai soak da? Thanks for your explanation.

Also your answers give rise to another question. "What do you think hatred is?"

[lyla23]

[QUOTE=MandoKhail]Lyla!
bibi gulai i know whats in your mind,i can read it,open your mind and put the original question outside.............

Can you read my mind? How cool! :)

I am not against Jews. I judge people based on their mannerism and behavior. I have come across very good Jews in my life.

U can say I am against hatred and hegemonical politics.

[MandoKhail]

Mandokhail wror; bibigulai soak da? Thanks for your explanation.

Also your answers give rise to another question. "What do you think hatred is?"
Bibi gula is one of our respected member ...aw Allah de poi kree..

for hatred

Tasalsool da yaw jabar rarawan dai la kaloono kaloono
Pa de ke ka za treekh yam intiqaam yam mata sa gunah da

[lyla23]

Bibi gula is one of our respected member ...aw Allah de poi kree..


Oh really, i haven't met her then.

Allah dai poi kree, zaka che roonrhaan kho kaafee poya paida shaway dee. :rolleye:

[MandoKhail]

Bibi gula is one of our respected member ...aw Allah de poi kree..


Oh really, i haven't met her then.

Allah dai poi kree, zaka che roonrhaan kho kaafee poya paida shaway dee. :rolleye:
if you want to meet her then its easy,watch mirror:icon_biggrin:

[lyla23]

Oh no, mirror will break. Mirror can't stand such faces for very long.:icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin:

[MandoKhail]

Oh no, mirror will break. Mirror can't stand such faces for very long.:icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin:
self praise is not recomendation.....:icon_biggrin:

[Nokia_Afridi]

Lyla Aunty ma Awal soch kraay wo chay

PPP taraf na Taso da 2007 Election Ofer shway da......haahahaha

Lyla zma Mena chay sumra Pukhtoon da Dumra

Noro ta hem chay aga har sok wi...........

[lyla23]

self praise is not recomendation.....:icon_biggrin:

I praised bibi Gulai.

Nokia poya nashom pa last line.

[Nokia_Afridi]

Lyla Aunty zma Mtlab da di chay sumra mena

ma Pukhtano ta da Dumra ma Baki khaklo ta hem

chay Pujbaey di ka Afghani di awo ka sok hem di......

[okhanda]

Thinking all Punjabis are out to get our resources or to shoot our families is an absurdity and juvenile.

I am someone who gets called a Nationalist no matter where I am nowadays, whether that be Kabul , Islamabad or Lahore. But the point is I have known and still know several Punjabis that are quite militantly against the Army, the state sponsored massacres in Waziristan and Balochistan.

Sweeping generalizations help no one.

As for the original question. I think its also a personal question. Everyone I meet I starts at a baseline of respect,honesty, integrity and trust etc. From that point their graph of a particular characteristic may go up or down depending on how I percieve their actions after that point.

There are Pukhtuns that I would not introduce to my dog ( if I had a dog ) and then there are other people that are non-Pukhtuns that act in a way that makes me think ( quite ethnocentrically ofcourse) "da Asal Pukhtun dai".

The point being every human being is deserving of respect unless they prove otherwise with their actions or words.

In my Humble Opinion.

[DawezayMomand]

No, believe me when I was putting it down, at that time I was not thinking about nationalism at all. I will tell you later on why I asked this question.
I am still waiting kha.

[Khanjee]

I praised bibi Gulai.

Nokia poya nashom pa last line.




Grany Lyla sahiba!


Allah da tha poha kee zaka che taso dasi oolta swaloona kavee.
Oow za kho da wayam che hagha kho pukthoon na dy che da nooro
Qoomono respect na kavee.

Nokia saara kho da meenay samandar dy che toolo tha ye workavee.

Thanks

[Khan Baba]

One thing I yet to understand, why some of the members of this forum are so obsessive about Punjab issues.
I personally feel there is nothing wrong with Punjabis, albiet having dark skin and black heart. I have many Punjabi friends and they are quite sincere and generally good people. What we criticise is not Punjabi but Punjab as a province or as a Lobby, that are grabbing the resources of other smaller provinces. This injustice and discrimination has led to the separation of Bangladesh, Bugti murder etc. Why cant we treat all people of this country as equal citizens.
Lyla23, I dont know if you are Punjabi and even if you are, you need not to be ashamed of it. As I already mentioned I have many Punjabi friends and they have absolutely no difference with my opinion as far as the dominating role of Punjab is concern. And let me tell you this domination is never in the favour of Pakistan and other provinces including Punjab. If we want a stable Pakistan, we have to grant equal rights to all its citizens.

[lyla23]

Thinking all Punjabis are out to get our resources or to shoot our families is an absurdity and juvenile.

I am someone who gets called a Nationalist no matter where I am nowadays, whether that be Kabul , Islamabad or Lahore. But the point is I have known and still know several Punjabis that are quite militantly against the Army, the state sp................................................ .....The point being every human being is deserving of respect unless they prove otherwise with their actions or words.

In my Humble Opinion.


Thanks okhandal. U have a very cute nickname.

Okhandal at least u are fair. I am tired of racist, or to what they (?) call "nationalistic" (I don't call it nationalist though) remarks over here.
You are right. Respect is earned, not gained. Take care!
Lyla.

[lyla23]

One thing I yet to understand, why some of the members of this forum are so obsessive about Punjab issues.
I personally feel there is nothing wrong with Punjabis, albiet having dark skin and black heart. I have many Punjabi friends and they are quite sincere and generally good people. What we criticise is not Punjabi but Punjab as a province or as a Lobby, that are grabbing the resources of other smaller provinces. This injustice and discrimination has led to the separation of Bangladesh, Bugti murder etc. Why cant we treat all people of this country as equal citizens.
Lyla23, I dont know if you are Punjabi and even if you are, you need not to be ashamed of it. As I already mentioned I have many Punjabi friends and they have absolutely no difference with my opinion as far as the dominating role of Punjab is concern. And let me tell you this domination is never in the favour of Pakistan and other provinces including Punjab. If we want a stable Pakistan, we have to grant equal rights to all its citizens.

Khan Baba ka za soak om em. Dai sara da cha hes kaar om nadai pakaar. Za da insaan respect ya disrespect da "ethnicity" pa base na koama. Za "humanity" goarama, za da yaw insaan "mannerism" goarama, za da yaw insaan "speaking skills" goarama. Za "aggressiveness", "show-off", "superiority-complex", political, aao "gendered statements" na, NAAAAAAA inspire kaigama.
Abusive language aao "labeling" na koshish kawoo che zaan osatama. Omeed laram che za, da yaw "human" views ba tasoo maanay clear shaway ee. Enjoy !
Any more fashion shows!

[Khan Baba]

Please dont mind but I find a lot of pretensions in these damn mannerisms etc. This is the case with those inferiority complex Pakistanis in US and West. When they are in Pakistan no Grhing ye bahegi but when they enter the superior class of US/West then they talk of mannerism, behavior etc all hypocrisy and pretensions.
Aggressiveness is a man quality, how can a sexiest can be impressed.

[lyla23]

Mr. Khan BABA:

What is Grhing and bahegi. Also is it sexist or sexiest?

Mannerism does not come from books. It comes from your home, where u are raised. You can find manners among "simple village" people. You need to have an eye for it.

Are you the one who love to see women in scanty dresses? Ohh I see!

[Khan Baba]

Za ramaidan tha sha no,
About grhing and baheegi, please ask from you husband if you are married otherwise from those who teach mannerism.
I said where the hell is this mannerism when these inferiority complex people are in Pakistan, if they have learnt it from their home. Uss me khula sala raaspare.
And yes I like scanty dresses with those besharam girls having no bloody haya and namoos.
And thanks for the correction.

[lyla23]

Why would I ask my husband? You are the one who used those words.
Again mannerism comes from home. Support your argument with examples. What do you mean by when these inferiority complex people are in Pakistan................What are you trying to say?

[lyla23]

Za ramaidan tha sha no,
About grhing and baheegi, please ask from you husband if you are married otherwise from those who teach mannerism.
I said where the hell is this mannerism when these inferiority complex people are in Pakistan, if they have learnt it from their home. Uss me khula sala raaspare.
s.And yes I like scanty dresses with those besharam girls having no bloody haya and namoo
And thanks for the correction.

Do you have sharam and haya yourself who enjoys watching women? Why should women wear the attire of sharam and haya only? Mukhtara Mai was covered in clothes, but was raped. Women covered in burqas are not saved from shareef men.

[Khan Baba]

Why would I ask my husband? You are the one who used those words.
Again mannerism comes from home. Support your argument with examples. What do you mean by when these inferiority complex people are in Pakistan................What are you trying to say?
OK
Mr X was residing in Pakistan, looking for some job; he could not get it because of his incompetence or any of his vices. He manages to reach US using illegal ways and means, selling the jewellery, property etc of his relatives. Now when Mr/Mrs X reaches US, he/she finds himself among the people who according to him are super power nation. He starts some job there (may be cleaning their shoes) and after some time when he earns some money he/she wants to look like them (Americans). He tries to behave, act and speak like Americans and forget about those back home who have sacrifices for him, now whatever the Americans do, that become mannerism for him/her, suffers badly from the pretensions.

Lyla23, (what is this 23 by the way)
There are no fixed standard of mannerisms, they changes with societies and cultures. May be whatever you call mannerism, I call that Behayayee and besharmee.

Now please dont take it personal, however if the cap fits you, wear it.

[Khan Baba]

Do you have sharam and haya yourself who enjoys watching women? Why should women wear the attire of sharam and haya only? Mukhtara Mai was covered in clothes, but was raped. Women covered in burqas are not saved from shareef men.

Please refer to my post above.
In my view looking/staring at besharam and behaya women is not besharmee, rather than an aesthetic activity and only those without aesthetic sense will ignore such scenes.
If the women cant attire themselves in sharam and haya clothes then why should men hesitates from watching them.
Mukhtara Mai has unclothed herself many times before that and whatever she did before that was not rape but adultery.

[lyla23]

Mukhtara Mai has unclothed herself many times before that and whatever she did before that was not rape but adultery.
__________________

Whhhhhhhhhhhhhat?

A decent man should lower their gaze. Kamo sarho che pa khazo kai stargai khakhay karhai ee, agha "besharmy" da zama pa nazar kai. Everyone has their own views, and this is what I think. If my brother, son, or husband does the same thing, I will kill them.
Ka khazay burqo kai om ee, no sarhee ae da laasoono aao da khpo khabaray kayee, pa ghwag kai warla sandaray wayee. Anyways! ka da be-sharmee nada, no che bya be-sharmee sa ta wayee?

[Khan Baba]

OK, lets bring an end to this unabated discussion.
If a woman wears decent clothes in accordance to her culture and tradition, she is a decent woman and any man staring/ chasing /tormenting her is Besharmee.
If a woman wears clothes which are prohibited in her culture and society, so we call such woman a besharam. Staring at such woman is OK (ab itna to ijazat dedo)

[lyla23]

OK
Mr X was residing in Pakistan, looking for some job; he could not get it because of his incompetence or any of his vices. He manages to reach US using illegal ways and means, selling the jewellery, property etc of his relatives. Now when Mr/Mrs X reaches US, he/she finds himself among the people who according to him are super power nation. He starts some job there (may be cleaning their shoes) and after some time when he earns some money he/she wants to look like them (Americans). He tries to behave, act and speak like Americans and forget about those back home who have sacrifices for him, now whatever the Americans do, that become mannerism for him/her, suffers badly from the pretensions.

Lyla23, (what is this 23 by the way)
There are no fixed standard of mannerisms, they changes with societies and cultures. May be whatever you call mannerism, I call that Behayayee and besharmee.
Now please dont take it personal, however if the cap fits you, wear it.

Is selling one's jewelry an illegal way? I don't call it illegal, if it was his/her own jewelry. What do you think? Illegal ways are Photo change, telling lies in embassy etc. etc. Also I think anyone who used illegal ways to gain something in life don't find peace in his/her life.
Also I am happy to see how u have started your sentence with He...yes he (men) are the ones who generally take illegal steps.....
talk like Americans........I think people back home are more obsessed with west than the ones living here.
I think mannerism and codes of modesty are completely different things in my eyes.
if the cap fits you.....
Now what does that mean? I know the literal meaning, but now this is what I don't call "mannerism"? Words have meanings and should be used cutely, not sarcastically. Now please don't take it personal Khan Baba.
23 is a number, It comes after 22 and before 24. When you add 2 and 3, it equals 5. When you subtract 2 from 3, the answer is 1. And now think about it, who is No. 1?

[Khan Baba]

Pa plana pola tlam, plunn pal prot woo
I like giving scarstic remarks, regarding who is number I, I have no doubt women are number one, whether it is before or after 23. (now keep on thinking)

Also I am happy to see how u have started your sentence with He...yes he (men) are the ones who generally take illegal steps.....
Yes thats true, men sacrifice their entire life for women, they steel, they kill, they go to jail, they do everything for the protection of women.
See the amount of sacrifice