Should Nationalists Contest Election?

[MandoKhail]

Mulgaro!

I am asking a question should nationalist go for election or they should boycott it?

i know tommorow APDM will decide but let shed a light on it according to our political awarnes..Lawyers are demanding from oposition to boycott...what do you guys think what should we do?

[daurangir]

They MUST boycott the elections, as these elections will again b a farce.
Instaed of wasting their energies on these elections, they can prepare in a better way for free elections.

[MandoKhail]

They MUST boycott the elections, as these elections will again b a farce.
Instaed of wasting their energies on these elections, they can prepare in a better way for free elections.
Lala! I am agreed..Election under one unconstitutional govt where supreme court is runned over by boots and judges abducted, where constitution has been ripped a apart again, where there is emergency, then in such circumstances how one will get free n fair elections? no..it won't be free.

In my opinion it must be boycott and stoped by force..show them force of ppl.

[daurangir]

Zamaa pa lik pohey nah shvey jorrey.

Free zah hagha yaadom che kum pa asal k free v. Da Mush elections ta mi 'farce' veley di.

[MandoKhail]

Zamaa pa lik pohey nah shvey jorrey.

Free zah hagha yaadom che kum pa asal k free v. Da Mush elections ta mi 'farce' veley di.
Lala! za khoo da har sa FREE pa haq ke yama,free air,free land, free Pushtoon:love:

[malak_junior]

Mulgaro!

I am asking a question should nationalist go for election or they should boycott it?

i know tommorow APDM will decide but let shed a light on it according to our political awarnes..Lawyers are demanding from oposition to boycott...what do you guys think what should we do?

Good question mandokhela, but the real question is this. Has the nationalists any other choice, because maulana fazlurrahman and the PPP has already declared that they will participate in the incoming elections. On principle no one should take part in it as these are not legally and constitutionally held elections, however, if half of them contest the elections and half boycott, it means that the way will be cleared for the Q league and MMA. They won,t even need to rig the elections and will be imposed upon the poor people.Therefore in my opinion it is important for all parties to contest these elections so that the rigging is exposed and shown to the whole world.

[Baryalai]

Every body knows that the forth coming election is no more than a fraud and is totally unconstitutional but willingly or unwillingly we have to accpet one option.As per my line of thinking is concerned I think we must go to the election as otherwise Qaf and Fazlu will once again get an illegal govt for further five years and will strengthen the dictator hands for crushing the opponents.

[MandoKhail]

Every body knows that the forth coming election is no more than a fraud and is totally unconstitutional but willingly or unwillingly we have to accpet one option.As per my line of thinking is concerned I think we must go to the election as otherwise Qaf and Fazlu will once again get an illegal govt for further five years and will strengthen the dictator hands for crushing the opponents.
Baryalai! what if we boycott it and stop this election by force? will they be able to come in to Govt?

[MandoKhail]

According to news..Nawaz sharife has said he is unable to reach on consenses with B bhutto on issue of judiciary....what does it mean? is it mean APDM and ARD is failed in finalising charter of demand? if yes..what will happend to PNDA if PMAP boycott and ANP participate? i am confused:icon_confused: :confused4: :(

[Naeem]

It is very evident. Benazir does not want the judges that were about to rule against her to be restored. As for ANP, I fear it already has made bargains thus jeoperdising the newly formed Pukhtun National Democratic Alliance.

[MandoKhail]

It is very evident. Benazir does not want the judges that were about to rule against her to be restored. As for ANP, I fear it already has made bargains thus jeoperdising the newly formed Pukhtun National Democratic Alliance.
Naeem seb! I am really sad and confused..i can't see my dream shattered in to pieces,it will be like my heart is of glass and someone is smashing it hard on a floor scattering each and every piece of it in thousand parts:(

[Naeem]

This is where we eventually have gotton to...the shattering of our dreams.

[MandoKhail]

This is where we eventually have gotton to...the shattering of our dreams. I strongly fear ANP has used PNDA to strengthen its bargaining position in the forthcoming elections.
Naeem seb i am tottaly confused..i am not getting it..in few days it will come on a surface..lets wait

[Naeem]

A unified Pashtun political front is the last thing that Pakistani establishment wants. Ideologically and politically weak factions suit its designs because it gives vent to Pashtun nationalist sentiment and at the same time pre-empts the emergence of a genuine nationalist movement.

[MandoKhail]

The Bilouryan are very powerful in ANP. Further, a unified Pashtun political front is the last thing that Pakistani establishment wants. Ideologically weak factions ANP suit its designs because it gives vent to Pashtun nationalist sentiment and at the same time pre-empts the emergence of a genuine nationalist movement.
Naeem seb it is the test of both parties and if any one went down then our people will wipe that party out..test of principles and test to stand for right and just.
I am praying for servival of PNDA..i give damn to everything.

[Afriday]

As far as Nationlaists parties are concerned they should evolve joint stratigy whether to contest or boycott the upcoming elections. Wellsaid Malak Junior that if half of political parties are in the favour to contest the poll then why should Nationalist leave the ground open for others to represent Pukhtoons in the federal setup?Even PML N are also not giving clear policy statement regarding the upcoming poll.
One thing is clear that MMA will be split because JUI wants to take part in election while Qazi party wants to Boycott.

[Baryalai]

Baryalai! what if we boycott it and stop this election by force? will they be able to come in to Govt?

Boycott will be the best option only if you have enough strength to stop them by force. But where is the force? that is only a day dreaming in the present situation. You know only that is being done which Musharraf wants. Everybody is sympathysing with the sacked Chief justice but it is of no use.
Besides it if Qaf and PPP is contesting election then what will be the use of boycott.

[MandoKhail]

As far as Nationlaists parties are concerned they should evolve joint stratigy whether to contest or boycott the upcoming elections. Wellsaid Malak Junior that if half of political parties are in the favour to contest the poll then why should Nationalist leave the ground open for others to represent Pukhtoons in the federal setup?Even PML N are also not giving clear policy statement regarding the upcoming poll.
One thing is clear that MMA will be split because JUI wants to take part in election while Qazi party wants to Boycott.
Sha Chaaray Mulgare!

We haven't left ground for others in last election but you have seen the results.MMA had cleaned sweeped in NWFP with the help of ISI.
Are we going to stand with 60 top judges who have secrifised for real democracy and are we standing by priniciples?
Contesting elections will give musharaf all acts a legal shelter and the hope to out army from politics will be shattered.

[MandoKhail]

Boycott will be the best option only if you have enough strength to stop them by force. But where is the force? that is only a day dreaming in the present situation. You know only that is being done which Musharraf wants. Everybody is sympathysing with the sacked Chief justice but it is of no use.
Besides it if Qaf and PPP is contesting election then what will be the use of boycott.
Force is your ppl,if you don't have a support of your ppl then why are you contesting election? we should trust our ppl and they have proved it they are worthy of bieng trusted.
MMA supported Mushi in 17th Amendment and we all condemnd MMA,PML-Q was created by ISI and we all condemn it..now if we all will legitimise mushi's all wrongs then won't ppl condemn us tommorow? This is written now in a history.

Baryalai seb time and events will prove who is on a wrong way or who is on right.

[Naeem]

Why the alliance with Jumaath-i-Islami which is the worst enemy of Pashtun identity and culture, why not a separate stand?

[MandoKhail]

Why the alliance with Jumaath-i-Islami which is the worst enemy of Pashtun identity and culture, why not a separate stand?
Naeem seb! Here we stand with them on a question of real democracy and free and independent judiciary which we need more then others.If JI stand is just then we will stand with them for sure,not JI any party.We can block all Balochistan and South Pushtoonkhwa on our own people support and on support of PONM, to make this agitation more effective and stronger throughout the country then JI is good supporter..

[Afriday]

Sha Chaaray Mulgare!

We haven't left ground for others in last election but you have seen the results.MMA had cleaned sweeped in NWFP with the help of ISI.
Are we going to stand with 60 top judges who have secrifised for real democracy and are we standing by priniciples?
Contesting elections will give musharaf all acts a legal shelter and the hope to out army from politics will be shattered.
You are right but dont you think so those so called 60 top judges took oath under PCO when Mushi removed Nawaz Govt?

[MandoKhail]

You are right but dont you think so those so called 60 top judges took oath under PCO when Mushi removed Nawaz Govt?
True! but have look at thier stand today? if they were wrong yesterday we condemn them and if they are right then we should support them.We should diffrentiat b/w right and wrong and view everything with our own principles.

Remember our target is to dismental ISI and kick out army out of politics,once if we have done it then situation in Afghanistan will change and same here in Pushtoonkhwa watan.

[Afriday]

True! but have look at thier stand today? if they were wrong yesterday we condemn them and if they are right then we should support them.We should diffrentiat b/w right and wrong and view everything with our own principles.

Remember our target is to dismental ISI and kick out army out of politics,once if we have done it then situation in Afghanistan will change and same here in Pushtoonkhwa watan.
For me if someone is wrong yesterday he will be wrong in future too.anyhow i am afraid of Achakzai and Asfandyar alliance they formed for joint struggle for Lar aw Bar Pukhtoons rights,safety etc..I know ANP is going to contest election but PMAP is opposing it.I hope it will not affect thier alliance.I am in favour of joint policy of both leaders i.e Achakzai and Asfandyar

[DawezayMomand]

True! but have look at thier stand today? if they were wrong yesterday we condemn them and if they are right then we should support them.We should diffrentiat b/w right and wrong and view everything with our own principles.

Remember our target is to dismental ISI and kick out army out of politics,once if we have done it then situation in Afghanistan will change and same here in Pushtoonkhwa watan.
As if ISI is not America's ally! And as if democracy in Pakistan will dismantle ISI! What a dream!

[MandoKhail]

For me if someone is wrong yesterday he will be wrong in future too.anyhow i am afraid of Achakzai and Asfandyar alliance they formed for joint struggle for Lar aw Bar Pukhtoons rights,safety etc..I know ANP is going to contest election but PMAP is opposing it.I hope it will not affect thier alliance.I am in favour of joint policy of both leaders i.e Achakzai and Asfandyar
Yara let seee what is going to happend and let's leave it on our ppl.

[Mashal]

Any party who is in favour of free election and claim that they are standing for principles,should not participate in election undre an unconstituionally formated govt.

[WatanGul]

Why Does Pukhtoonkhwa Map struggle for real democracy
Without real democracy Pukhtoons cannot get their rights.
I hope everyone remembers the state of the Pukhtoonkhwa Resolution passed in the provincial assembly.
All kinds of nationalisms share a number of common components, some of which are indispensable to democracy. Democracy can hardly function properly unless some key components of nationalism are present. As the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen states: “The source of all sovereignty resides essentially in the Nation. No group, no individual can exercise any authority which does not explicitly emanate from it.” Pukhtoons are no longer the passive subjects of Musharaf or emperor or dictator. Rather, they have the right to throw off the shackles of tyrannical Mushi regime and take things into their own hands. Through election boycott PMAP aims at transferring sovereignty from four generals to the people, our stand of boycott is fully compatible with democracy, or the principle of “rule by the people.
To be fully legitimate, any democratic system must find a way to motivate citizens to feel that particular institutions are somehow theirs. Our leadership and PMAP workers clearly understand that Nationalism is an amazing homogenizing force that provides solidarity among all the pukhtoons and groups by constituting a collective political subject, or a "we". Any attempt to bind citizens through ties other than “natural ones” (e.g. language, culture, history, and so on) will fall short of the goal of civil-cultural cohesion. Citizens who lack a sense of shared identity and destiny are prone to “political apathy, social atomization, and mutual irresponsibility” (Benner 1997: 193), which in turn are likely to “aggravate the chief symptoms of democratic malaise, namely, cynicism towards democratic rule, reluctance to share the burden of social justice, resentment towards aloof and acculturated elites, decline of civic dispositions, and alienation vis-à-vis an increasingly ‘privatized’ public sphere” (Laborde 2002, 601). So we are not fools or a misguided crowed to follow our leaders blindly, we fully understand that three pillars of the state (Judiciary, Media and Parliment) has been disabled and election has become a meaningless activity.
Pukhtoons and Balouch are not demanding anyone else rights but they are demanding their own rights and we support their demand. (Qazi Hussain Ahmad)
Mehmood Khan Achakzai is not the leader of Pukhtoons from Chitral to Bolan only he is the leader of every Pukhtoon from Karachi to Khyber. (Sirahul Haq)

[Nokia_Afridi]

Pukhtoons and Balouch are not demanding anyone else rights but they are demanding their own rights and we support their demand. (Qazi Hussain Ahmad)
Mehmood Khan Achakzai is not the leader of Pukhtoons from Chitral to Bolan only he is the leader of every Pukhtoon from Karachi to Khyber. (Sirahul Haq)
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Watan Gul da siraj awo Qazi darta da ISI wla na Malomgey walay chay ta

khpala waley wu chay da

Achakzi lala na Elawa to da ISI chamchay di nu wos da

Khwagay Khwagay Khbaray da da sanga post kra dalta ?...

[WatanGul]

You really have a very philosophical vision. I once again praise your political understanding and shortsightedness. When I was in ANP I used to ask worse questions than you have asked.